Please refresh the page or navigate to another page on the site to be automatically logged in, Please refresh your browser to be logged in, Isabel Oakeshott terminates interview after clashing with presenter over Hancock leak. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. For the past two years, Patricia Lynne Rorrer was a watched woman. Your assertion that most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense is in fact nonsense the reality is that most people are easily fooled by these biased documentaries who then feel its okay to spout their tripe as if its the gospel. Andrew Tate's team claims he has a 'dark spot, most likely a tumour' So much of it, it would take all day to elaborate here. ``I told her I would see that her horses was tended to.'. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. Neely's motion on Rorrer's behalf argues that new information from the lab reports show the samples had no roots, while the testing that identified the strands as Rorrer's showed they had roots, The Morning Call reports. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. Even though Joanne was supposed to take her mother-in-law for Christmas shopping, she never showed up. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. SHAME ON THEM. Kidnapped and killed? I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. Andrew married Mary A Katrinak (born Ondek). There is pendency of DNA investigation for Routier. I hope she rots in hell. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. After the King told the Duke of York of planned budget cuts to royal funds, the disgraced royal has since refused to leave his 30-bedroom Royal Lodge in Windsor. He was happy. Its barely visible in the picture. Andrew Katrinak - Address & Phone Number | Whitepages Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. Puny policy. Sad discovery. They also found a photo of Patricia taken 11 days before the homicide. M.L. Am I missing something? Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. You people are fighting a losing cause! The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Your email address will not be published. Justice is about uncovering the truth. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. Youll have to make do with what you see here. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. DNA also doesnt lie. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. ``The lady had a lot of contacts around the country from her horse trading business, and she very well could have disappeared.'. Dot Jost, Rorrer's next-door neighbor, had no idea what was going on, although she did see police cars in Rorrer's driveway from time to time. ``People who work with horses, they love 'em, rub 'em, pet 'em, and at the same time they can be firm with 'em, jerk their bits if they need to,' Hege said. And, why is it reasonable to believe lay people accept the jury verdict? Deputies watched the house as often as they could - from the woods, the road and even from the air. Patricia Rorrer: Guilty Or Not?. The FBI declared the strongest piece What definition? On Instagram, I found a post for a two-part Win at All Costs podcast featuring journalism professor Bill Mousheys interviews with Patricia Rorrer from prison in December 2019. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? Beautifully said Cliff! Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. For more information governing use of our site, please review our Terms of Service. ``As good as she is with people and animals, I just can't believe it.'. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. You say by definition! Thats my life.. If her husband was going to do that Im sure he wouldve done it in a totally different way! One on one? Deal refused. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. Both were deceased. Narcissistic and violent tendencies are very common. (Nope. If you have ever met or been in a relationship with a narcissist, the former partner being with a more young and attractive-looking person would make them go off. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. Rorrer called Myers collect from the jail Tuesday afternoon. 1994 double-murder case returns to Lehigh County Court - lehighvalleylive What will the next pandemic be? They broke up in 1993. WoW! This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. Patricia seemed like the girl next door but all of a sudden, something snapped, Katrinak later told Wrong Man investigators. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. Play it now! I dont think so. However, Romanian officials have refused the request, saying he can be attended to in Romania. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? And Patricia wasnt all edges. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. Cops under pressure will lie to close a case. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. Ive found that in nearly every case, those who are firmly of the opinion shes guilty have an extremely limited knowledge of the case theyve watched one (or perhaps more) of the documentaries which make absolutely no attempt to show anything thats in Rorrers favour (theres plenty, if one bothers to look), and worse, revel in exaggerated and speculative scenes, some of which were never even mentioned at her trial. Im sorry Sally, I know you want someone to blame for the death of your daughter and grandson, but the person who actually killed her is serving a life sentence in another facility in Pennsylvania. About a year ago, Rorrer told Myers about the investigation but said she had been framed. Lie detectors are pseudo science. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. Phone records dont lie.) They blocked each exit to make sure police couldn't extradite Rorrer before they saw her. He retired as a general foreman at Bethlehem Steel in 1981 after 30 years of employment. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. The 36-year-old former kickboxer and his brother have been jailed in . Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. Nope. He said she did own a firearm, with its serial numbers filed off. Men who murder are conventional, women are sensational, posits the Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Network. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. Search by Name Search . The bodies of the mother and son were found in April 1995 in a rural, wooded area 15 miles from home. Its never been made clear. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. Andrew Katrinak in Colorado. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. ``She told me she was praying about it.'. I finally had to stop reading this stupid article. Andrew Katrinak Obituary (2015) - Bethlehem, PA - Morning Call - Legacy.com She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. I THINK THEY SHOULD REOPEN THIS CASE AND LOOK AT THE HUSBAND JUST SAYING BUT IN MY HEART AND MIND FROM READING ALL THE NOTES AND STUFF PATRICA IS NOT GUILTY AND THEY NEED TO SET HER FREE. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. Andrew mentioned to police that his former live-in girlfriend Patricia Rorrer once managed a horse stable two miles from the bodies location and would have been familiar with the riding trails close to the murder scene. So, lets take your response one step at a time. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Do you want to automatically post your MailOnline comments to your Facebook Timeline? The district attorney's office dismissed as offensiveNeely's implications on the evidence, according to the newspaper's report. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. He helped her take horses to day care centers, where she would take photographs of children with the horses. Your comment will be posted to MailOnline as usual. Have you read the book? I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. The fact that Joanne was found with a hair clutched in her hand that was inconsistent with both her and Patricia (that they conveniently didnt bother to test). Counsel for Patricia Rorrer, 52, argued in Lehigh County Court that investigators mishandled DNA evidence, WFMZ-TV 69 reports. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. ``They let 'em know who's boss.'. Davidson County sheriff's deputies searched Rorrer's house in Linwood and volunteered to keep an eye on her after hours. And Andrews explanation of how the intruder got in through the basement door seemed contrived, according to Grube, who gave an interview to Wrong Man, a 2020 true-crime docuseries from the Starz network, which produced two episodes called The Hang Up about the Rorrer case. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. I thought the same. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. Media galore. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. Acquaintances said Rorrer started dating Brian Ward, 34, in 1995. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. I think shes guilty for sure. Joann Katrinak murder - Forensic Files Now Her daughter, Andrea Bruner, 14, baby-sat for Rorrer's baby daughter last fall. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. More hairs there. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! And in a piece of salacious testimony, Patricia Rorrers half sister, Sandra Ireland, said that in May 1995, about six months after the murder, their mother, Patricia Chambers, stopped by the house and asked her to hold onto or hide a gun, or both. The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. Username. He lived in 1928, at address, Connecticut. And Patricia did live in another state. That woman has no soul. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. ``Some people just don't know how to let go,' Hege said. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? OK my GUESS is Patricia did do it! Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. One insider said: 'Andrew is insisting on having a job despite being made to stand down from his duties and now he's being kicked out of his home,' according to The Mirror. Patricia Rorrer: An Update - Forensic Files Now Follow him on Twitter @KurtBresswein. View Andrew Katrinak's record in Drake, CO including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? Police arrest woman in 3-year-old case of slain mother and child She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! How do you explain the authorities finding .22mm shell casings at her home during the search warrant. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? Its nothing short of a feeble stab hoping to impress but really amounts to splitting hairs, or to put it another way, hot air with no substance. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. Suzanne Pearson fabricated quotes from Patricia including her claim that Patricia said, Im going to the electric chair upon her arrest because a conviction would boost Pearsons career. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? she didnt need to . If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. It has very bad energy. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? According to Pennsylvania State Police, Rorrer met Andrew Katrinak, the husband and father of the victims, in 1986. Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? The comments below have been moderated in advance. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? Your somewhat convoluted explanation of discuss and express opinion, seems to ramble on and on without any logic or reason. Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby?
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