If his option is exercised, the deal will be worth $92 million over seven years. In fact, you should not make a purchase without a calculator, a phone call to a certified public accountant, and night courses in math at the local community college. Spencer Strider signed a 6 year / $75,000,000 contract with the Atlanta Braves, including $75,000,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $12,500,000. Not the other way around. The dudes who write for this site were linking Cole to the Angels. Win Expectancy, Run Expectancy, and Leverage Index calculations provided by Tom Tango of InsideTheBook.com, and co-author of The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball. If he performs in 2023 like he did in 2022, which was off the charts great, then it would be reasonable to expect similar numbers to what Soto got in years one and two. They are very pleased to pay him. He played college baseball for the Clemson Tigers, and was drafted by the Atlanta Braves in the fourth round of the 2020 Major League Baseball Draft. Almost everyone gave up on the Braves when they were 10.5 games back in the NL East. They are usually only set in response to actions made by you which amount to a request for services, such as setting your privacy preferences, logging in or filling in forms. June 27, 2022 To Spencer Strider, there are two parts of his baseball life: "PTJ" and "ATJ." Pre-Tommy John and After Tommy John. He would have extended him for 10 years/$200m. Spencer Strider Contract 2022 The 23-year-old right-hander has pitched just two seasons above the collegiate level, but his incredible rookie season gave Atlanta confidence to make this commitment. Unless youre LA, NY or Boston, you play early. Degrom was 29 in his first arbitration year coming off a season no where near as dominant as Strider. He hasnt performed at even close to their level. 18 Buying out those arbitration years is key to these deals imo. The Prime games are not really an inconvenience since I have Prime. All rights reserved. The Braves and Mets both won 101 games. The Braves and Swanson have publicly expressed mutual interest in a new contract, but getting something done would likely send the Braves soaring over the $200MM mark in terms of their bottom-line payroll while also pushing them into the general vicinity of the first luxury tax threshold for the first time ever. Strider will make $1 million each of the next two seasons and $4 million in 2025. I see Grissom in the outfield with Harris/Acuna next year. It will cost money next year. Swanson 11.2 WAR. Meanwhile, those games arent even broadcast on local cable, since you again just have to watch on Apple TV instead. On the surface it seems like the Braves have made several excellent long-term deals with young talent. For that to be a reasonable number requires him to stay healthy for the whole contract, which would lower his free agent value as it would almost assuredly mean he will have some form of arm injury. Cant see AA letting him leave and downgrading the roster when theyre so competitive at every other lineup spot except left field. What the hell is unexpected reply from the server mean? $140 per post at $7/CPM. The only way he wouldnt is with a long demotion next year. $14M (2026) Fried wasnt this good out of the gate. Then again, I also had concerns with Baez, who has a higher degree of volatility due to his approach. Here it is again, for your convenience. Some thoughtful Dodgers guys on here too. If that happens, he will have 2 years and 3 days of service time. You see the pieces that are already in place. There is no amount of rationalizing that can excuse that. From one English major to another, genius! The league-average, for reference, is 29 percent. While I suppose they are blacked out on MLB.tv, but then you can just watch them on Apple TV instead. A bonus is a bonus. Must be a great place to play if they can get all these young guys to sign for long term. As a positional player I would be more likely to bet on myself but as a power pitcher I would take a deal with life changing money at my first opportunity. Shewmakes going to be lucky to carve out a career as a utility player for a 2nd Division team. Lets say he got 15% less than Soto, which if he continues to play like he did in 2022 is not likely, that would mean his one pre-arb year and his 4 arb years would look like this: Julio Rodriguez is still going to get a bonus pool increase in his annual pay for his All-Star game appearance, his HR derby appearance, his ROY award, and any other accolade he gets, regardless of his contract. Click on the different category headings to find out more and change our default settings. Apple TV games are free this year. Even if he does remain this good in a best case scenario, he would only approach the amount hes being guaranteed over those 2 pre-arb years and 3 arb years, and the team should get a significant discount on those arb years in such an early career extension, anyway. Played 2019 w/a bad heel. Weve seen PLENTY of great rookie seasons by SP and most of the time they dont last 3 more years of that elite level. Spencer Strider is still a rookie for the Atlanta Braves, but he has the potential to advance to the major leagues. Only if its a Top-2 mustache, and it is. The expectation is that I outperform any contract I ever sign.". Still, given the general excellence of this group, its impossible not to be bullish on the teams future. ~$15M (Arb2) A visual look at how Spencer Strider ranks across the league, conference, division, and team. These deals were made after Matt Olson received his eight-year, $168 million deal one day after being acquired from the As in March. October 6, 2022: Atlanta Braves activated RHP Spencer Strider from the 15-day injured list. The rotation is so strong that 39-year-old Morton, who re-signed for one year and $20 million, could possibly. But thanks to you I now have another person on my mute list. To think that youre so desperate to troll Braves fans youd pretend you remembered something from 6 years ago that a small minority of Braves fans may/may not have ever said. The only other way to get that channel is to splurge on the ridiculously overpriced cable providers with their ever-escalating fees. The move is retroactive to Sept. 21 and Strider has not pitched since last Sunday. The Marlins are one new owner away from being elite. Braves fans are setup extremely well. Before joining MLB, he was the top freshman at Clemson in 2018 and later missed the . Signing Strider screwed their budget for no good reason. The examples and numbers you give and your well edited comments make me believe you are a writer fiction, right? But most importantly it sets bad precedent for the rest of the league for one team to save a few million dollars. He only hit the first two weeks he was up. $43m for nothing. (Age 22-338d, The only way this deal makes sense is if he becomes an inner-circle Hall-of-Fame pitcher who is the greatest pitcher of our generation. Pitching may be the most volatile position of any sport. https://www.mlb.com/news/daniel-camarena-grand-slam-off-max-scherzer, Wouldnt call him aging crap, but hes on the decline. Hes not 65 and 230 lbs. 2023 Pre Arb year $1 million (yes, MLB minimum is $700k) Its also worth noting that Fried might take the offer Strider just got as a giant slap in the face since hes been leading the rotation for years and won a WS for Atlanta, while Strider hasnt even pitched enough innings to qualify for the ERA title. To my point, if we arent sure Friend and Burnes will make $27.5M, why would anyone guarantee it to a rookie with next to no track record, when the over is so little. If they would have waited to sign him for two years, it wouldve made less than a $10M difference in his contracts at most, but it would have given the team an extra $20M to spend before hitting the cap. Get it done AA. Jared Shuster, LHP 4. This was risky to me as well. They could or locked judge up years ago now they are going to pay for it or not pay for it and lose their star. In 2021, he threw 94.0 total innings in stints with nearly every Braves MiLB team and added 2.1 with the big league squadhe and Dylan Lee made their Major League debuts on the same day last. Join our linker program. . I also would like to see how Strider does next year before extending him. Mets698622(LOL on the 22), Harvey was in no way better than Strider at this stage of his career. Because Strider spent the whole season in the majors anyway it has no effect on him. (adsbygoogle=window.adsbygoogle||[]).push({}); Ralph Kiner estimated Net Worth, Biography, Age, Height, Dating, Relationship Records, Salary, Income, Cars, Lifestyles & many more details have been updated below. With that being said, I agree with Atlantas approach here overall but there is still a fair amount of risk involved when extending young players so early in their careers. He started 20 times and finished three . Baez and Story are declining. Grissom has about as much chance of playing a capable ML SS as a fan picked at random when they come through the gate. Lol at a Met fan claiming another teams farm system pitcher turns into.garbage. Say hello to the countless Met pitchers that have done exactly that. Contact doesnt increase as bat speed wains, hand eye coordination deteriorates, and eye sight worsens. The greatest lineups ever? Time will tell whether Max Fried and Dansby Swanson also factor into the teams long-term plans. But for every Newcomb, Folty, Wisler,and Touki that theyve missed on I think theyre happy to trade that off with Fried, Wright, Minter, and to a lesser extent Anderson and Elder. Apply it to all of the offensive players theyve done the same with. What's the Dodgers' plan at shortstop? I know the first few years here are cheap, but still . TO make the math easy lets just say by 20%. If youre Swanson, coming off this type of 2021-22 performance, why would you sign for any less than Trevor Story and Javier Baez received last winter ($140MM over six years)? Revenue in baseball is going up and salaries will also. It is for someone that age. Betting Picks; . His slap happy approach at the plate seems very much at odds w/the Braves patient, high exit velocity hitting philosophy. @bhambrave If you dont know what Super Two means dont try to talk about which players are or arent one. Think hell get significantly longer offers than 3 years Sid. Sorry for the redundancy the message from the site was confusing. Most of his miscalculations are trigger happy overreactions to common slumps and overvaluing prime players, because he doesnt realize the extra value hes trying to quantify is the consistency they bring in being a star player. Howd that one play out? The Clemson product cracked the Braves Opening Day roster in 2022, initially working multi-inning stints out of the bullpen before ascending to the starting staff, where he not only found success but emerged as a bona fide front-of-the-rotation arm. Olson can go either way, I think. 2027: $20-22M. However, there is also a non-zero chance he gets it between 25 and 29 years old, which makes it more like 50-75% likelihood he could need TJ surgery, again removing the benefit of a long-term deal. Now the baseball world is looking forward to what he could do while serving as a starter over an entire season. I hope he stays but it wont be the end of the world to have a glove 1st ss hitting 9th in this line up. If thats the case, then the Braves just got Spencers first 5 seasons for, check this, 15 million. Logos were compiled by the amazing SportsLogos.net. You need to check your info. But since they extended him this is obviously all moot. $20M (2027) Same. Its about rewarding the player. Not a fan of it, but thats the way it works. Lets keep the core together. Jose Ramirez begs to disagree. Another pitiful troll comment from books. What about Georgias racist voting rights? The Atlanta #Braves today signed RHP Charlie Morton to a one-year contract worth $20 million for the 2023 season, with a $20 million club option for 2024 that does not include a buyout. Exceeded rookie limits during 2022 season, 2023 Contract Status: Especially not when youre right, lol. Scherzer isnt aging crap but it was one bad Wild Card game plus losing that pivotal start vs. ATL (he gave up 6 HR in his final 2 starts (inc. WC game) when he gave up only 13 HR all reg season). They have a big part of their core locked up for years and have set themselves on the path to being contenders for the next five years minimum. Prior to his MLB career, he played for minor league teams such as Augusta GreenJackets, Rome Braves, Mississippi Braves, and the Gwinnett Stripers. There are so many reasons this could go bad and we arent even talking about the new pitch clock, the pickoff throw rules, and other changes to the game itself. Injuries are 75% covered by insurance Someone mentioned Max Fried as a comparison, but Fried barely pitched his first 2 seasons in the majors, and had only a small fraction of a season in 2020, and hasnt seen his last 2 arb awards in any case. Strider opened the season as a reliever but then solidified Atlanta's rotation, helping the Braves win their fifth consecutive NL East title. And like I said before, he wouldnt even qualify for the ERA title. Hell instead now carry a sizable $12.5MM luxury hit the average annual value of his new contract. Login Here. In any case, thats not one of the issues with this contract. So the only time he could qualify for Super 2 status is after 2023. Essentially they trade the risk that he gets hurt and produces nothing in one or more years for the free first free agent year, and the discounted second free agent year assuming hes healthy. You are probably not accounting for the adjustments with the new CBA. They potentially saved a lot of money. Strider just had one of the best seasons for a rookie starter in the arbitration era. Considering the current model, I wouldnt bank on $20M coming from the final arb year and that leaves $27.5M/year for the two free agent seasons. Not great to sign long term deals to declining players. Lordy the braves are waaaaay ahead of the curve in finding talent. Baez/Story trending down, Swanson up. Im confident youve been subjected to it countless times. They are paying $44 million max for both years and its likely that a single season of a TOR starter in 5 years will cost close to that much. Yeah Anthopoulos has spent right to the cap limit if he brings back Swanson! For someone who walked 13.5% of his opponents over the first two months of the season, the improvement was as remarkable as it was rapid; from June 10 onward, Strider walked just 6.8% of his opponents. Strider already had TJS while he was still at Clemson. Many thanks to him. Annoying, but stuff happens.. Good job locking up one of the top young mustaches in the game. Obviously if it went that route the Braves win this by a bit, maybe $10 mil in their favor by the end of it roughly. Theyve been doing well to develop revenue streams and having them as serious generators by the time the current contract is up, and when a new one is signed, they should be up there in annual budgets (and profitability). The specific cutoff date varies on a year-to-year basis. His love of the New York night life and illegal substances didnt help his career along either. Everyone picked the Mets some even had ATL in 3rd place in the East cause Freeman left. Who doesnt believe that the Tigers have serious buyers remorse on Baez? There were talks mentioned in August and no deal was done. Thanks. Most likely, he wouldnt get anywhere near that much in arbitration. The only IF is whether hell stay healthy and productive enough to earn the money. No I said youre disingenuous because youre trying to use the 2 1/3 ML inning pitched by Strider as a full season comp to Harvey. Spencer Strider - Stats - Pitching | FanGraphs Baseball Spencer Strider Atlanta Braves Age: 24 Bats/Throws: R/R 6' 0" / 195 P Quick Look 2022 Pitch Summary: FA: 67% SL: 28% Prospects Report. On the other hand, a subscription to Apple TV+ is remarkably cheap, comparatively: $4.99 a month or $49.99 a year. This is one time a record truly means nothing. Story put up a 112 OPS+ and 26.8 bWAR in the 6 seasons leading up to his deal with the Red Sox. Thats not to say every pitcher with between one and four years of service time will now require $75MM+ to sign an extension, of course; Striders case as a Rookie of the Year frontrunner and budding ace is far from the norm. 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The standard Super Two pay scale for him for his remaining years is: $0.7M (league minimum) Conversely, How about them Mets? This year they got a weak season from Acuna, and they won 101 games and the division. That will fall far short of the top 22 percent. Early career extensions are designed to give the team a discount and especially not overpay for their arbitration years. Partnered with the USA TODAY Sports Media Group|Powered by, Signed a 6 year $75 million contract extension with Atlanta (ATL), including a club option for 2029, Signed a 1 year $710,000 contract with Atlanta (ATL), Drafted by Atlanta (ATL): Round 4 (#126 overall), Drafted by Cleveland (CLE): Round 35 (#1062 overall), Drafted by Atlanta (ATL): Round 4 (#126overall), Drafted by Cleveland (CLE): Round 35 (#1062overall). They are paying the suite price and hoping that they save the 10% fee for buying it at the window. Using multiple accounts on the same thread shows a much bigger disconnection from reality. Sorry for the confusion. Much of the play-by-play, game results, and transaction information both shown and used to create certain data sets was obtained free of charge from and is copyrighted by RetroSheet. He hasnt even extended Fried yet, and this reeks of him knee-jerking his reaction to Fried probably not wanting to talk about extensions and him wishing he wouldve done something a couple years ago. The Dodgers play on the west coast and you want them to play earlier then the Braves? His previously strained left oblique muscle was fine as he threw off the mound on Sunday and on flat ground on Monday. Thats $25 mil. Agree MFF. He has not stated how much he was paid by the teams while getting picked by the MLB. Why would Swanson get Story or Baez money? Definitely one of the best pitchers in the game but when it truly matters he crumbled. Look at them now. To be fair, theyve made it much more difficult on fans. Walk rate down to a career low while his K rate is basically at a career high. Wouldnt be a bad time to offer him a 5-6 year deal at 100-120 mill. Not at all. Position players tend to be better values when extensions are considered, especially in terms of injury risk. If not for an extension, Strider would have made the league minimum in 2023 and 2024, been Arb 1 eligible in 2025, Arb 2 eligible in 2026, Arb 3 eligible in 2027 and a free agent after 2027. I really hope Dansby is extended and I think he will (hes a local guy and by all accounts loves being a Brave). Look at the alternative, pay for TOR stuff like DET did in the offseason with Rodriguez (5 years/77M) and he was AWOL for much of the season in the 1st year of his deal. I absolutely love the Strider extension. If you swap those times it would be a 1pm local start in LA, at least this way its a 4pm local start in ATL. Furthermore, Strider struck out 202 opposing batters in 131.2 innings pitched. Some high school data is courtesy David McWater. Your login session has expired. Good thing you waited until Strider got lit up in playoffs to respond. Atlanta, of course, had previously already signed outfielder Ronald Acuna Jr. and second baseman Ozzie Albies to club-friendly extensions. Strider returned from his injury in 2020 and was later picked in the fourth round of the MLB 2020 draft by the Atlanta Braves, with whom he eventually signed a contract. Its just false. establishing the players relationship through goodwill too for the future. How do you know what hell be just as willing to do? Spencer Strider sets an Atlanta Braves record with 16 Ks in a game!!!!!! Most of the professional commentators (fwiw) picked the Braves on the basis that the Mets had yet to unthrone the kings. You didnt just say Strider was better then Degrom and Bauer. It assumes continued success after only 130 IP in the majors, it assumes zero regression, it assumes increase arb records at every level, it assumes higher investments on pitchers which is trending away from that since all starters are facing TJ surgery at least once in their career. The 2022 Atlanta Braves played 162 games during the regular season, won 101 games, lost 61 games, and finished in first position. Core is in place for about as long as you want it to be. You dont. Finally, I know people point to the 10 1/2 game lead the Mets had and call it a collapse. Smith-Shawver, RHP 6.
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