People need people and people need grace. Chris, this was a fantastic analysis of a complex story, and dead on. The American's boxing career came to a juddering halt in 1992 when he was sentenced to six years in prison after being convicted of rape in Indiana. Instead, it gives you a pile of puzzle pieces. History. Wouldnt keller have been caught red-handed? The big issue every character has is with acceptance. Alex couldnt do anything to Loki, but when Keller comes barging in and grabs AlexAlex could hurt Keller. Thanks for the analysis. Prisoners is a 2013 American thriller film directed by Denis Villeneuve from a screenplay written by Aaron Guzikowski. Similar to how Fight Club is powerful because its not really about Edward Nortons character but rather a deconstruction of individuality in a consumer-driven culture. It seems accusatory at first mostly because its confusing. Did Hollys husband have more dirt on the priest that could have gotten him in more trouble? I was so impatient with all the people not talking, but it makes sense now, the priest, bound by his guilt and confession rules, Alex, most likely having been drugged from an early age on which alters your brain and personality, and God knows what else these people did to him and Bob. Is the father a sex offender himself? Jones I wish they delved more into that aspect of him, but also thought that the brief mention left viewers trying to figure out its meaning. Holly Maria Jones (September 14, 1992 - May 12, 2003) [1] was a 10-year-old child abduction and murder victim from Toronto, Ontario, Canada. So Alex wanted to meet he again and played the game. The main story of Prisoners is the kidnapping of two young girls. Police Chief Julian Fantino told a news conference that Michael Briere, 35, has been charged with first-degree murder. Their plight is immense and it can drive them to do unto others as has been done unto them. Just one question: how come the parents recognised their daughters clothes at the police station but didnt realise that they were not the ones the girls wore when they disappeared? Especially in a building that has so many issues. She was elected to her first two-year term in November 2022. I dont know if dental records are in the system. Its no longer Alex being the byproduct of Holly and her husband, or being cruel just to be cruel. Right before the altercation with Keller, we witnessed a stare down between Alex and Loki after Loki had spent hours belittling, demeaning, and flexing on Alex in the interrogation room. But if the kid WAS named Alex, I think Barry/Alex is saying that when he was a kid, the Joneses lured him to their house by asking if Barry wanted to play with their son. Hi Chris Holly's parents. But they were previously a very religious couple and perhaps some of that still lingered as they indulged in ritual before they killed each of their victims. Holly Jones was abducted in her neighbourhood after walking a friend home from school. Sat, 21 Jun 2003. The book would lack meaning because it lacked any and all context. Prisoners (2013) Full Cast & Crew See agents for this cast & crew on IMDbPro Directed by Denis Villeneuve Writing Credits Aaron Guzikowski . The way they said it, sounded like a death notification to me. [3] As well as confusion about who they really whereid also venture to guess that abuse was also a big part of the experience as you also mentionedso a confused prison of the mind. Loved the movie and this thread, and its not like me to concentrate for two hours on a film. Why couldnt Loki identify the dead body as that of Hollys husband? But, yeah, seems to be one of those suspension of disbelief things that has become implicit to the whole artistic form. Meanwhile, Bob appears as a new suspect in the case. In this film, no character will ever be the same. The question is will he put it all together and solve the puzzle? This writeup helped explain a few things I was uncertain of but I still found too many parts of the movie unbelievable and just plain frustrating. When Loki finds the body in the priests basement, the priest/father explains the man came to confess and spoke proudly about killing 16 children. Will Franklin and his wife have to testify against Keller for amnesty, because they were part of Alexs torture too. One interesting thing Ive noticed is that usually the highest quality movies find a way to distill their themes or narrative in the opening shot/scene. The seemingly simple progress of the story is an artistic choice to create the sense of an itch you cant quite scratch, that theres more going on than you may have realized. Grace completely falls apart in the wake of Annas disappearance, to the point of being non-functioning. The Birches certainly seemed far more resilient than the Dovers, who were breaking in different ways. The girl saw him or heard him though he didnt see the girl. I also think that Loki foreshadowing his abuse and imprisonment and the boys school that the father ran is another situation that contributes to the prisoners idea. Not everything is clever or meaningful. And yeah, Ralph is definitely a prisoner. It put tape on my mouth. But in the moments before she speaks, we see Joys memory of escaping, the flashes of being in the house, on the ground, someone leaving the room, the book of mazes they had to complete, running away. That whole torture subplot is like a twisted form of repentance. I have kids and if they were ever kidnapped I would pick them being killed than for them to do what Alex did. Ill watch again with a fresh mind. Thank you so much! Except, Keller uses wood and his carpentry skills to imprison and torture Alex. This would be how they have the image of the maze. Alex Jones also refers to a maze. Im glad it was helpful! I would love to hear your take on the current covid crisis and response. So hes doing what he should do and giving her a chance to surrender. The doomsday preparation stuff does come back, kind of, with the whistle? Wow, I suppose Im late to the party because I only just watched it on Netflix. Did Loki know she found her whistle? . Thank you my good people and a wonderful site for films discussion. Adding to that, Holly probably never reported him missing (wouldnt have wanted police poking around her place), so his name wouldnt have come up when the detectives were checking past missing persons cases for a man who disappeared 5 years previously. How do we make sense of the bad that happens in the world? I never caught what was said in the newspaper. Who knows! Its a really great movie. Villeneueve even discussed trees in an interview with Indiewire. Cant wait to show this movie (and analysis) to my wife! It just points at a larger abandonment issue Alex has. The first kid they ever took was Alex in 1987, who was actually Barry Milland. I dont think theres a definitive answer. The characters are great. The breath. and murder on him. Holly also told Keller that Alex was just taking the girls for a drive in the RV, so maybe they werent frightened until they got to Hollys house and she decided to keep them. Federal Inmates. Alex Jones (Prisoners) Detective Loki (Prisoners) Paul Sandow (The King) Holly Jones (Prisoners) Keller Dover; Please check the notes for additional warnings! Keller needs someone to find him and pull him out of that pit, but he also needs that whistle thats only down there because his daughter was down there because she got kidnapped looking for it, though he gave it to her for her rescue so many months or years ago. Yeah, I think I need to amend it a bit to add the consideration that part of Alex enjoys hurting Keller. This is reinforced later by Joys struggles to explain what had happened to her, only able to look at Keller and say, You were there. No story in-roads are necessary because the editing/plot sequencing makes obvious the parallels between the book and the relationship. Hey hey! The fact that our two most faithful characters end the movie together, each trusting in their faith, is pretty beautiful. While I was watching the film in board day-light, I crotched my teddy bear with me, something I dont normally do as its that scary! Kind of similar to the movie Zodiac. The pretentious stuff gets at the construction of the story. 17:11), 4. Thats what Joys remembering. -Prisons (physical, emotional, mental, spiritual)-Mazes-Religion. Or Fight Club deals with the mind and the opening credits occur while the camera travels through the main characters brain and out a poor of their forehead. Sigyn, his spouse, sat with him holding a basin beneath the dripping venom, yet when the basin became full, she carried the poison away; and during this time the poison dripped on to Loki, causing him to writhe with such violence that all of the earth shook from the force, resulting in what are now known as earthquakes. (Wikipedia). I shall watch it again. Hey Aggie! But giving the audience clues that Keller is facing lengthy prison and Alex is going home Well it is quite the opposite in reality. 127 South Second Street 919-989-5040 . When you get to the end of a movie like Inception, theres no explanation about what happened. I think the movie is definitely one of the best of its decade. The little girl was abducted, and her remains were found in gym bags a day later in May 2003. It requires the work of both men to save the girls. I am very much amazed with the way you see things about the movie and the way you tell them.Just wanted to say thank you. Tired of all the brainwashed/braindead people out thereneed to know there are people out there figuring this out like RFK jr. Absolutely brilliant analysis, I wouldnt ne surprised if it is the best lne there is. Kidnapping Serial Killer. I thought that was a major clue about the protagonist Keller Dover but at the end of the movie it seems to be a complete coincidence. This, to me is where the whistle provides significant symbolism. She brings him to a hole underneath a car, forcing him in, shooting him in the leg and leaving him there. Location: 3794 Highway 468. Nocturnal Animals, through cross-cutting, makes it clear theres a connection between what happens in the book and what happened in the relationship with Gyllenhaal. I imagine it would have taken some time to make the connection to Hollys husband, if it was ever possible to do so. Or in the movie Us, we have subterranean beings created by the government. He doesnt have the practical personality to do whatever it takes for a certain resultthats not bad, but in this situation, it makes things complicated. Also, I thought Holly was injecting Anna with venom and that Loki was rushing the girl to hospital to get her the anti-venom in time. I think if you re-watchPrisonersafter reading this, then the movie is going to feel way more obvious in what its doing and why. Hundreds of Oklahoma inmates left prison Monday before their original sentences were over. Also could represent David and Goliath and figuring out the maze was a Goliath task. Thats a really good question. Her back was turned to him. Joy and Anna leave the Birchs to find Annas missing whistle. These snake-handlers believe that God will reward their faith by making them immune to snake venom And yet their son dies of cancer. One detail I noticed that adds to the religious motif is that Loki is actually his last name and his first name is David that we see at the end of the film in the newspaper article Barry Milland AKA Alex Jones is reunited with family after 26 year. Explore holly jones's 396 photos on Flickr! That theme reinforces itself through motifs such as Darth Vaders black armor, his black cape, and often being shadowed (not to mention the heavy, marching music that feels very imperial and domineering). Compare that to Bob. This house is the same as the one alex was parked at the day of the girls abduction. When I say faith in the police, keep in mind that Loki is the detective. I love the part where Keller sits next to Alex torture cell and cant finish his prayer at the sentence: and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us, he holds back the last part, breaking at as we. Beyond that, the story plays out in such a way that it intentionally leaves viewers to put together key details. When someone goes missing the police investigators always try to establish very carefully how the missing person was dressed! trying to mimic where the pit is in Hollys yard (where Holly puts Keller and Keller finds the whistle). Alex/Barry's caretaker Yeah, I like the mixture of Christian and Norse. That idea of the maze goes beyond the characters to the structure of the story. His profession being the same as that of Jesus, and the movie opening with Kellers devout prayer, also creates the false sense that Keller will be the good in the film. Uploaded: Just not anything more than did what they needed. Are they divine or circumstantial? I cant remember how much time passes in the movie. Is arrested as the prime suspect. We know the girls were interested in the van. I guess it was made to distract/confuse the viewers. The profound trauma capable of changing the intrinsic nature of a person, their beliefs, their language. They were scared enough to shut down and didnt move much/touch much until Alex dropped them off. Physical imprisonment: Holly keeping the two girls (then Keller) captive. Or the sum of other religions being in service to the Christian God? Ephemeral, spiritual things that operate on a metaphysical level. Yet, psychologically, neither can. Prisoners, like Inception, ends on a cliffhanger. And Loki in his own inclinations and deductions. Got it (which is why Keller finds it in the hole at the end). I think, for him, hes just been unable to escape the trauma. Which really is a question for us. How does a top detective let an old woman finish an injection, pick up a gun, stand up, turn around and get shots off instead of just taking her down when she has her back to him? So the beginning of Prisoners gets at themes of nature, religion, and violence. When we were shooting, we did shoot a version where it goes a little beyond where the fade out is. In the Bible the snake is definitely associated with temptation. Takes them both to work out the solution. What a coincidence that the character with that name ends the movie in a hole in the ground?! But then he remembers he had been at Holly Joness house and puts 2 and 2 together. And yes, I love the juxtaposition of David Lokis name. And others will have a more cynical outlook that hes become who hes become and is kind of terrifying. Which led to Kellers survival mindset. Something like that. Its almost like the style and story carry the movie and the cast is just kind of there. Just some observations. I dont think its entirely unrealistic. Appreciate the kind words! And even if all four parents were confused when they looked at the items which is highly unlikely the investigators should have noticed that according to the parents the items in Taylors possession were not worn by the girls on the day of their abduction. Right now, still leaning to it being Hollys deceased kid. Unfortunately, Loki doesnt know that. Its Grace who, in the wake of her daughter being stolen, completely falls apart. With the motifs in mind, we can finally get to what I think is the most interesting thing about Prisoners. It is of course not completely impossible because Holly could have cleaned the van thoroughly. I am from a complex family, nothing like what the film portrays but still some issues and I thank my last lucky star, The length contributes to your analysis of the compounding effects of abduction over time, depicted in the varying lengths of how long they spent in the maze Joy seems the most available afterwards, but Anna is more slow to integrate; then Taylor, who is surprisingly capable (has a house, quite a capable thief, etc) while still being extremely myopic and distressed; and Alex, who is the mostly deeply shut off from the world. | Faith in God, faith in the police, faith in yourself. I also appreciate how you still respond to comments after a year. I could go to China and be fine, obviously . One of these underground people tells a shocked family, Were Americans. After that information, the title, Us, can be read as US, or U.S., or United States. And lastly, we get flashbacks to her time with Gyllenhaal that reading the book triggers. Hobby Regarding Christianity, we hear the Lords Prayer. Germanic paganism/mythology (of which Norse is an offshoot) put great symbolic importance on trees and forests and stones. Join Facebook to connect with Holly Jones and others you may know. Anyway just brilliant write up. Instead, it purposefully scatters important details throughout the story, without chronological context, meaning its easy to forget them or not connect them the way we should connect them. When you realize one of the names has a deeper meaning, it leads to the question: Do the rest of the names have meaning? This brings us back to Grace and Loki and Dover and Birch, etc. Loki doesnt have a last name, but we know the meaning of his first name. Door handle: Loki checks handles a couple times. What ending do we choose? According to WHNT-TV, 37-year-old Holly Debord pleaded guilty in July to the charges stemming from an incident in 2020. The idea of faith comes up again and again. Of any filmmaker ever, hes the biggest beneficiary of audiences not caring about little infuriating logic inconsistencies. Thanks! Perhaps another theme of the movie is communication. Cheers, Otherwise, you should close this page and view another page. Everyone describes Alex as pretty internal and passive, but I wonder if (in his own traumatized and child-like way) he is trying to break out of the maze! We werent given any other reason for Dover Snrs death, were we? It happens to be near the Birch house, where the Dovers celebrate Thanksgiving. Its really just Loki and Keller who keep their faith. 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Watson), additional production assistant (uncredited), special consultant: end credits (uncredited), set production assistant: second unit (uncredited), completion bond representative (uncredited), forensic technical consultant (uncredited), basecamp production assistant: second unit (uncredited) / production assistant (uncredited), global director of motion picture logistics: Altour Travel (uncredited), production assistant: drone unit (uncredited), additional set production assistant (uncredited), production finance controller (uncredited). And seems to have no one to talk to about what happened. Its pretty well-known that the victims of abuse are prone to abusing others. A character who wears a Masonic ring. Hardcover. Kindle. But, like the title, things arent always so simple. Theres the world within a book shes reading that was written by her ex (Jake Gyllenhaal, funny enough). Possible, but as a main oremise it seems a bit thin. This is Thesecret1070. If you are 18 years or older or are comfortable with graphic material, you are free to view this page. He isnt innocent here. Thanks. She had been jailed for trying to post 10.4g of heroin back to Australia in 2000 and pleaded guilty and sentenced to 31 years in jail in 2003. LONG VERSION: Holly and her husband were religious zealots until their young son died of cancer. So its unlikely she suddenly appeared and seized the girls. Midway through Prisoners were introduced to the concept of the maze. Thats why Keller being a carpenter, just like Jesus was, cant be a coincidence, I think. It opens with a shot of a snowy forest, where a deer quietly noses around for food. If the dogs came by at all. To be fair, the idea that the clothes may have been stolen is actually never mentioned in the movie. Even though Taylor lives somewhere else, it seems all he thinks about is Holly and her husband. She was murdered by Michael Briere who plead guilty to first degree murder and got life in prison with no parole for 25years. A character whose first scene is talking about Zodiac signs. This is the man who saved Anna, and Anna doesnt say a word to him, despite being prompted by her mom. Im pretty sure it was Keller. Its a solid theory. How does one start to put into words something thats as cosmically horrific as being stolen and everything that follows? Inmate Search. And how could he know where the girls lived in the first place? And just to put a bow on it, when Grace brings Anna to see Loki, a similar silence occurs. I watched it a few years later and now 2021, the movie was on my Netflix suggestions pool, I was half in for watching it and I didnt.. woke up today and first thing was to figure out the story. A month? 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